Does Prozac Contain Fluoride?

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This question comes up all the time. Memes circle around which claim that fluoride is the active compound in rat poison, Prozac and what is in our water. To put it very simply, these are not all the same types of fluoride. There are many kinds of fluoride because the element fluorine creates a compound with just about any other element it binds to, resulting in all new things. For example, the most common type used to fluoridate our public water is fluorosilicic acid, a by-product of phosphate fertilizer manufacture. This is different than say, what is in toothpaste or mouthwash. That’s sodium fluoride. So, once and for all: does Prozac contain fluoride? The simple answer is yes. Prozac not only contains fluoride, Prozac is fluoride.

Prozac is the brand name for a chemical compound called fluoxetine hydrochlorideFluoxetine is made up of five different elements (C17H18F3NO). Fluorine is one of those elements (F3). Fluorine is a gas and never occurs in a free state in nature. Fluorine exists only in combination with other elements as fluoride compounds. Both organic and inorganic compounds containing the element fluorine (F) are considered fluorides. This means fluoxetine is a fluoride. Therefore, we could say Prozac is fluoride. Fluoxetine is the only ingredient in Prozac and fluoxetine is a fluoride.*

Former governor Jesse Ventura famously claimed that Prozac was “over 90% fluoride” and websites and blogs sprang to defend Prozac, including one that claimed if we use the atomic weights of the elements in the compound that make up fluoxetine, we’d find that “fluoride [their word, not mine] makes up only 18.5 percent of this drug. Other elements — oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen and carbon — make up more than 80 percent of this drug. Opponents like to say that fluoride is an ingredient in Prozac because they hope it will scare people.” The problem is that none of these websites clarify that if either organic or inorganic compounds contain the element fluorine, the entire compound is considered a fluoride. This means that Prozac is “100% fluoride,” not 90% and not 18.5%. It may be “18.5% fluorine,” but using that formula, it is 100% fluoride. These websites also neglect to explain to the reader how many different types of fluoride there are. Saying that a Prozac tablet does not contain the type(s) of fluoride used in our water supply does not mean that it contains no fluoride at all. Saying “Prozac contains fluorine [or fluoxetine], not fluoride” without clarifying that this literally means Prozac is a fluoride is either a deliberate attempt to mislead people, or is the result of ignorance.

People who claim “Prozac does not contain fluoride” are being disingenuous. It’s a little bit like saying water does not contain water. Technically, water does not contain water, it is water. It contains hydrogen and oxygen. Prozac does not contain fluoride. Prozac is fluoride. It contains fluorine. Now, you wouldn’t say: “It’s not water. It’s oxygen and hydrogen.” But this what people do with Prozac, and it’s really just splitting hairs, or attempting to confuse facts. To claim there is no relationship between Prozac and fluoride is just plain untruthful. If we were to explain this to someone who had a limited knowledge about chemical compounds but basic knowledge about fluoride, and we knew that fluoxetine is, for all intents and purposes, considered a fluoride, then when we were explaining it to them, we would say that a fluoride is the “main” or “active” ingredient in Prozac because fluoxetine (a fluoride) is the only ingredient in Prozac.

Is Prozac dangerous to your health? That’s a hard question. Many people claim it has helped them, and many others claim it did nothing, or worse, made their problems more severe. As with all drugs, it’s efficacy depends largely on the person who is taking it. The list of common side effects is long and unpleasant: nausea, upset stomach, constipation, headaches, anxiety, insomnia, drowsiness, dizziness, nervousness, heart palpitations, loss of appetite or increase in appetite, weight changes, cold symptoms (stuffy nose, sneezing, sore throat), dry mouth, decreased sex drive, impotence, or difficulty having an orgasm. A complete list of side effects is very long and somewhat troubling, considering how common a Prozac prescription is. It is suspicious at best that the problems SSRI and other organofluorine drugs cause in the body are virtually identical to those caused by fluoride. Despite the growing wealth of information that suggests antidepressants don’t work, Prozac is still one of the most-prescribed drugs in America today – and some defend it ferociously.

It seems especially ironic that people who claim fluoride is being used to make the population docile and apathetic are shouted down or laughed at as conspiracy theorists, and yet this is exactly what Prozac – a fluoride – often does. Typing “Prozac makes me” into a search bar will turn up “Prozac makes me not care” as a top suggested search and browsing through forums about medications and mental illness, you can see this numbness of emotions is a very, very common result of taking Prozac. Some other suggestions that popped up are “Prozac makes me lazy,” “Prozac makes me apathetic,” “Prozac makes me tired” and “Prozac makes me a zombie.”

The bigger problem that comes up when we are talking about fluoride and chemical toxicity in general, though, is that people like to say “the dose determines the poison.” This is very true, but it’s misleading sometimes. Perhaps the amount of the type of fluoride in Prozac is safe by itself, or perhaps it does not “break down” and release fluoride into the body (this is unknown as of yet, but some organofluorine drugs have been proven to expose the body to fluoride). However, how much fluoride of all types are you actually exposed to every day besides Prozac? It is in more than just mouthwash and toothpaste and in more drugs than just Prozac, including Haldol, Celexa, Cipram, Luvox, Paxil, Lexapro, Dalmane, Cipro, Levaquin and many more. Because of pesticide contamination of foods, groundwater poisoning and deliberate contamination of our drinking water, we are taking in much more than the “recommended” amount of fluoride every day (in quotes because fluoride is not essential to our health in any way). It is literally in almost everything we eat and drink. As mentioned above, the fluoride added to our drinking water is a waste by-product from industrial manufacturing, including aluminum and fertilizer. Drugs like Prozac and Zoloft are not being cleaned from our waste water, and they are being found in freshwater streams and worse, in our drinking water. It’s true that the dose determines the poison but with no way to measure how much we are ingesting daily – and with different types of fluoride metabolizing differently – how can we be sure what the dose actually is?

We can’t. This is where it becomes dangerous. Not knowing what is in drugs commonly leads to overdoses, and fluoride is no different. Only you can decide what medications are right for you and on the subject of fluoride and fluorinated drugs, accurate information can be very hard to come by. Hopefully, this has cleared some things up for you.

To read more about the dangers of the abundance of fluoride in our water and food, click here.

*Author’s Note: This is an oversimplification of a somewhat complex matter. If anyone would like to mention covalent vs. ionic bonds, please read all the comments first to avoid presenting a duplicate argument. It’s been addressed at length.
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29 thoughts on “Does Prozac Contain Fluoride?

    • Fluoride is not an ingredient in fluoxetine (Prozac). Fluoxetine (Prozac) IS fluoride. The definition of a fluoride is an organic or inorganic chemical compound which contains fluorine. Fluoxetine contains fluorine, therefore it is a fluoride, typically speaking. This is basic chemistry and can be verified very easily. This blog is not intended to make general arguments against fluoridation, or to address the finer points in the chemical makeup of the drug. It addresses the question about the relationship between fluoride and Prozac. I do comment on the irony of “conspiracy theorists” claiming fluoride is used to induce apathy in people and the effects of Prozac, because it exists: Prozac is a fluoride, and many users claim it induces apathy in them. Correlation does not imply causation, however, and I did not claim it does. Just remarked on the phenomenon. I also commented on the danger of not knowing what is in the drugs you are taking in general. This is how overdoses of any kind happen. I never made any specific claims about fluoride or Prozac in this blog at all, other than that fluoxetine is a fluoride. It is.

      There are many different kinds of fluoride. As to organofluorines, it is not clear how much these drugs increase a user’s exposure to fluoride, if they do at all. More research is needed in this area before anyone can be sure, as is indicated even by your own source and your comment (“…does not appear…,” “is generally believed…””It is possible…”). However, again, these things are not the main point of this article. The main point of this article is to answer the question about the relationship between fluoxetine (Prozac) and fluoride. The relationship is as follows: an organic or inorganic compound containing fluorine is considered fluoride. Fluoxetine (Prozac) contains fluorine. Fluoxetine is fluoride.

      People who are taking these drugs want to know what is in them – and they should be able to find out without someone rushing forward and claiming that it isn’t true because of their own feelings about fluoride (whether for or against) or about the drug. I have seen that kind of reaction over and over again: “I am against fluoride! It’s dangerous! I am against fluoride but not Prozac. I take Prozac and I need Prozac, so Prozac can’t be fluoride!” Well, it is. Many things are fluorides. That has nothing to do with their safety, efficacy or anything else. It doesn’t mean they are safe and it doesn’t mean they are unsafe. It means they are, for all intents and purposes, a fluoride. That is what both organic and inorganic chemical compounds that contain the element fluorine are called. I’m not sure how much more plainly this can be stated. Breaking it down to the compound level is about as far as it can be taken. Quibbling over these points when those asking this question obviously have a very limited understanding of the subject is absurd.

      • Sorry, you just don’t understand what you’re saying. Fluoride is the ionic form of fluorine. Fluoxetine contains fluorine, and unfortunately the conventional terminology is that it is therefore described as a fluoride, which misleads some people, but fluoxetine is NOT fluoride. The term “a fluoride” is short for “a fluoride compound” and is not the same as “fluoride” by itself. The “a” in front makes all the difference. I suggest you delete this article. You clearly haven’t studied much chemistry, because if you had you wouldn’t have written this BS.

      • Yes, I am aware that fluoride is a negative ion and fluorine is an element. This is a very complicated subject for lots of folks; if it wasn’t, then people could simply look at the elements in the compound and it wouldn’t need to be explained. Many people don’t understand how chemical compounds work or what elements or ions even are. This isn’t a chemistry paper, it’s an attempt to explain it in a way that most people can understand. Unfortunately, oversimplification can sometimes result in inaccuracies. The basic thing we are driving at here is: “Why do people say Prozac has fluoride in it?” “This is why: because it is a fluoride.”

      • Since ShamanSisterSinDelle blocks replies to her posts to prevent others from disagreeing with her, I’ll just reply to your comment instead.

        It is as simple as this. Fluoride only exists in ionic compounds. Prozac is a covalent compound. A covalent compound cannot be a “fluoride” since there are no ions. If OP wants to disagree, it’s clear she just doesn’t have an understanding of basic chemistry, and is just perpetuating fluoride conspiracy woo.

      • I didn’t block anything, friend. I could have deleted your comments if I was concerned about it, or just not allowed any at all. This has already been addressed. If it’s not enough for you, that sounds like something you need to work on. Have a good one.

      • It is simply NOT a fluoride! Just like proteins are not “carbides” or “nitrides” simply because they contain carbon or nitrogen. Carbides and nitrides, just like fluoride are ions which form ceramics. To argue that that almost every cell in your body which contains carbon exists as a “carbide” would be absolutely preposterous. I cannot argue anymore since you dismiss the hard facts as being wrong.

        Because of your lack of understanding, you simply just dismiss chemistry as being too complicated for the layman to understand by stating in an earlier post:

        “This isn’t a chemistry paper, it’s an attempt to explain it in a way that most people can understand.”

        You came to the faulty conclusion that “all compounds containing fluorine are fluorides” which is just plain false and demonstrates a lack of understanding of basic chemistry, as Dan Germouse stated last year. The consensus is that you believe what you want to while ignoring the empirical science of chemistry.

      • I wrote this blog after seeing people ask the same question over and over again, or hearing people ask, “Where can I find a list of the ‘ingredients’ in Prozac/fluoxetine? It isn’t listed anywhere,” so many times. Regardless of what you may think, many people obviously do not understand. Discussing things such as electronegativity, covalent vs ionic bonds, sharing electrons, etc. is not going to help them with understanding. In fact, it would probably only confuse the issue more and therefore will not answer the question. There are billions of people in this world, my friend. You are but one of them.

        This same issue has already been addressed, both in the comments and in the article. I realize it is very important for certain types of people to prove how smart they are, even if the only place they can do that is a comment section on the internet, so I’ve allowed you to get it out of your system and hopefully you feel better now. Your rather childish accusations and somewhat absurd hostility are noted and dismissed. You’re beating a dead horse and quoting someone else’s argument from a year ago only proves you are aware of that. The conversation has come full circle and has therefore reached it’s conclusion. Blessings to you.

      • “Discussing things such as electronegativity, covalent vs ionic bonds, sharing electrons, etc. is not going to help with understanding and therefore will not answer the question.”

        I beg to differ. Your article is completely incorrect because of a faulty knowledge of these fundamental facts. You believe that simplistic and incorrect explanations are sufficient for the layman, while developing your own “theory” as to why fluoxetine is a fluoride and by extension, harmful.

        Here is an example of a logical fallacy in one of your arguments:

        Typing “Prozac makes me” into a search bar will turn up “Prozac makes me not care” as a top suggested search and browsing through forums about medications and mental illness, you can see this numbness of emotions is a very, very common result of taking Prozac.”

        You attribute the addition of fluorine in Prozac to be the cause of emotional numbness. This is a case of a faulty generalization. Medications of the SSRI class, such as Prozac, regardless of whether or not they contain fluorine are known for causing emotional numbness. Maybe you should take a class in formal logic before making such claims. Also, using the “top search results” in a search engine is far from a scientifically sound method of data gathering. Read the article below:

        http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/195/3/211

        As to address your ad hominem attacks, I believe that readers of your article should be allowed to see both sides of the argument. Whether or not I care whether people view me as “smart” is not relevant to the discussion. Nor are my scientifically sound “childish arguments” and “absurd hostility” proof of my facts being wrong.

        Anyway, I don’t expect you to understand, but hopefully readers of this article can see both sides of the discussion.

      • Your responses prove you have completely missed the point of what has been said here and the point of this article, as well as the audience it was intended for. However, to address your point… interestingly enough, virtually all SSRIs are organofluorines, including Prozac. Studies have documented inorganic fluoride exposure in the body that resulted directly from the use of organofluorine drugs.

        So, in summary:

        ~To claim covalently bound fluorine can never/has never increase(d) fluoride exposure in the body is false

        ~To claim that organofluoride compounds are somehow not related to fluoride is false

        ~To claim that SSRIs aside from fluoxetine have no relationship with fluorine is false

        I’m not sure what your point is here.

      • “Your responses prove you have completely missed the point of what has been said here and the point of this article, as well as the audience it was intended for.”

        I’m guessing your intended audience are pseudoscience conspiracy nuts that believe everything about fluoride woo? I bet your explanation of addition of fluorine to pharmaceuticals is to increase the population’s exposure to “fluoride” to make them docile and submissive (I might add, while supporting your hypothesis with your “excellent” empirical scientific method of gathering the top search engine results). In reality, organofluorine substituents are used in pharmacology to decrease drug metabolism (extend the drug’s half life) and to increase blood-brain-barrier permeability. But of course, the most simplistic and untrue explanation that appeals to you is the conspiracy. Anyway, I don’t expect you to believe anything but do have a read below on the use of fluorine in pharmacology.

        http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev.pharmtox.41.1.443

        “Studies have documented inorganic fluoride exposure in the body that resulted directly from the use of organofluorine drugs.”

        Show me a peer reviewed study and I’ll believe you.

        “To claim that SSRIs aside from fluoxetine have no relationship with fluoride is false”

        I already explained the pharmacological purpose of fluorine substituents. Note that they aren’t metabolised to fluoride as the carbon-fluorine bond is not metabolised by the human body. Did you know that aquatic wildlife are being affected by Prozac because it is virtually unchanged after ingesting it? This just proves my point that the compound is very stable and does not increase human exposure to the “dangerous” fluoride.

        Anyway, here’s an example of your faulty logic, that “shows” that fluorine in Prozac is responsible for emotional numbness caused by SSRIs.
        1. Prozac contains fluoride, which causes emotional numbness. Therefore, the numbness that results from SSRI use is caused by fluoride.
        2. Zoloft does not contain fluoride, rather it contains chlorine. Therefore, the numbness that results from SSRI use is caused by chlorine. BAN ALL TABLE SALT (SODIUM CHLORIDE)! THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO MEDICATE THE POPULATION!

        Do you see my point here? The fluorine substituents have NOTHING to do with the numbing effect of SSRI antidepressants. The SSRIs, by virtue of the serotonin increase in the brain, cause the numbing effect.

      • “The fluorine substituents have NOTHING to do with the numbing effect of SSRI antidepressants. The SSRIs, by virtue of the serotonin increase in the brain, cause the numbing effect.” Actually, no one knows what “SSRI-Induced Indifference” is attributed to, so you might want to check on your conclusions there because they are not scientifically-supported. No one is even positive how these drugs work, or why or if they do. You are simply assuming things there is no evidence for. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. By that same token, correlation does not imply causation. That’s why I simply remarked on an irony but came to no conclusion.

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989833/

        ‘Studies have documented inorganic fluoride exposure in the body that resulted directly from the use of organofluorine drugs.’ Show me a peer reviewed study and I’ll believe you.” OK. How about nine?

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7633153

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1756012

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12876538

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7379406

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/107572

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21239842

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20652242

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22380747

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22150502

        As to the rest of what you’ve said… it’s all just hyperbole and conclusions you are trying to insert into the article that aren’t actually there. As I said already, to claim covalently bonded fluorine can never or has never increase(d) fluoride exposure in the body is FALSE. Since that is the basis for your entire argument, have a good one.

      • I guess you’ve got a point, I did incorrectly draw a conclusion without supporting evidence. Thanks for showing me the studies and have a nice day!

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  2. Dan Mousey Germ

    You discredit yourself when you start trolling. You attacked someone as spouting bs who was only discussing the parameters of a subject and not giving any conclusion.

    Its unfortunate we live in a society today that just mentioning a “dissenters” point of view or arguement is met with such ridiculous vitriol. I guess thats how we as a country wound up 20+ trillion in debt. We got fear mongered and TROLLED into stupid decisions for ourselves.

    • I love you Shaman Sister SinDelle. Thank you for standing your ground and stating your point without lowering your responses with anger. That’s what fluoride free looks like people.

  3. I don’t know what they contain but I know I felt disgusting taking them, I inow I had horrific withdrawals for well over three months when I came off them and I know I will NEVER touch that shit again. Paroxatine has Rupert Murdochs grubby hands all over it and Glaxo Klein were taken to court and fined for underplaying the horrific side effects and withdrawals from these disgusting drugs!

  4. Thanks you for addressing this topic. I am a bioscientist and although I find some of the info flawed, I ultimately feel fluoride is a serious health concern. I grow my own vegetables and I’m sickened that the only water I have available to me to feed my garden contains doe amount of fluoride, which means so do my “organic” veggies, not to mention what’s in the soil. Thanks for getting people questioning it’s safety!

    • Thank YOU. Unfortunately in the world today, it is very difficult to find reliable information about things. But as long as people question things at all, that is what truly matters.

  5. This is the best article AND comments section on fluoride I have ever read. I am in awe of your ability to debate the people who argue for the pro-fluoride machine. In reality it was more like a science lesson than a debate. I must also commend Edgar for his acknowledgment that he was mistaken. Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined I would see someone who defends fluoride do an about-face. My faith in humanity has been restored. Hats off to both of you.

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  7. Well..I think this video Whistleblower Dr John Virapen on Big Pharma

    were CEO of EliLilly for 35 year go whistle blowing about the plot and bribes behind promoting drugs like Prozac which they manufacture -will answer “mister Edgar” about Prozac no matter of what chemical compound the fluoride is in -in Prozac – sodium fluoride is sadly to say poison and mind control and that was Hitler who added it to drinking water in the Nazi camps..so.. shall we guess he was doing it because of their teeth? No ..because sodium fluoride make people docile and less fertile! On top of all shit it do..

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